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hits me oh my gosh this is that triangle

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the rendel

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champions

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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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all it was completely silent

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it comes right over our heads he saw a

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classic flying saucer really standing in

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the clearing he turned over to my father

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and held his hand and he looked in his

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welcome to podcast ufo for our live show

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host well

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a little bit handicapped here i hope

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things go well because we lost

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internet in my office and i had to run

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to a hotel that's how dedicated i am

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but i might not be able to go in the

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chat room because the internet here is

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not so good we're hoping it hangs in

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there tonight we have a great guest

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lined up

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jesse marcel the third but before that

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we have an astronomy clip with andy

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fleming

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on our magnetosphere which uh you

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probably know that has to do with saving

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us from being fried by the sun like mars

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probably went through

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it may have even had life at one point

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but uh lost all its atmosphere in that

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we hope never happens to us our

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newscaster john tobin and i

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actually recorded a session last night

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for the ufo news

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and our audio systems had some type of

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allergic reaction

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to each other it was either that or he

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a blender full of frozen margaritas and

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just not telling me about it

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but anyway here is the clip from andy

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fleming in the uk

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on the earth's magnetosphere

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hello martin and listeners

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today we're taking a look at the

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magnetosphere

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which is a protective field that extends

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into space its magnetism affects

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its existence means the charged

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zones this life-protecting

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next week on podcast ufo well thanks

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andy that was great

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i really enjoyed it and you know if

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guests this evening some questions i can

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i may not be able to participate much in

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i can certainly read off questions to

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jesse marcel the third

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and uh jessie marcel iii grew up

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related to the roswell crash and i'm

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will not go away and the truth will

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course there are many many myths

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but it will be talked about until we

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behind what we're actually seeing in our

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up at the chat room and hang in there

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for the uh

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jesse how are you doing great how you

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uh can you come up a little bit closer

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to your phone

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is that better right there i think so um

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we'll bounce that off keith keith how's

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um he says it'll work that's great

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success we've had all kinds of uh little

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i'm so glad to have you on

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jesse and i want to tell you um i had

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to your father or just started to reach

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out to your father just before

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his uh his passing and uh my condolences

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and i gotta tell you i was at a

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conference in uh maine

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the room was you could hear a pin drop

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your father was very very well respected

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unkind word spoken of him he i mean he

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yes yeah and i will talk to you about

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we had some internet issues but um

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questions to ask that are different than

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my question to you about your

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through my father originally as very

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civilizations that they were very

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where they could come and visit us

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on the family side there really wasn't

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those interviews and that kind of thing

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but that wasn't

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00:10:23,509 --> 00:10:22,320
all about roswell's about how well she

291
00:10:25,670 --> 00:10:23,519
was doing the latest football game

292
00:10:27,509 --> 00:10:25,680
actually and that kind of thing

293
00:10:29,269 --> 00:10:27,519
so it was just it was just incorporated

294
00:10:32,389 --> 00:10:29,279
into a part of your life

295
00:10:34,710 --> 00:10:32,399
and now did you talk about this

296
00:10:36,470 --> 00:10:34,720
situation with say your friends and

297
00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:36,480
you know other people in school or

298
00:10:40,710 --> 00:10:37,760
something like that

299
00:10:41,990 --> 00:10:40,720
you know a little bit and it it get more

300
00:10:44,630 --> 00:10:42,000
that end of it came

301
00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:44,640
more through my father and that uh when

302
00:10:48,630 --> 00:10:45,680
we were little kids

303
00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:48,640
he he he walked out in the backyard with

304
00:11:01,670 --> 00:10:49,600
a

305
00:11:03,590 --> 00:11:01,680
the blocks up to

306
00:11:04,949 --> 00:11:03,600
fashioning buying aluminum sheeting

307
00:11:08,870 --> 00:11:04,959
making a dome

308
00:11:09,910 --> 00:11:08,880
even one thing is he he built a computer

309
00:11:11,430 --> 00:11:09,920
to drive the thing

310
00:11:14,069 --> 00:11:11,440
and that was long before such a thing

311
00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:14,079
really existed he bought these little

312
00:11:17,509 --> 00:11:15,920
glass tubes wrapped wires around them

313
00:11:19,269 --> 00:11:17,519
each one was an x or an o or an on or

314
00:11:20,310 --> 00:11:19,279
off button and he created a star mapping

315
00:11:23,430 --> 00:11:20,320
system

316
00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:23,440
you know he was if anything he was an

317
00:11:26,790 --> 00:11:24,480
incredible physicist

318
00:11:27,910 --> 00:11:26,800
a brilliant brilliant man a good doctor

319
00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:27,920
the rest of his heart was really in

320
00:11:31,269 --> 00:11:28,800
physics

321
00:11:33,350 --> 00:11:31,279
but uh anyway back to the story so we

322
00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:33,360
had an observatory and that was directly

323
00:11:36,949 --> 00:11:35,760
related to roswell it was it was his

324
00:11:40,069 --> 00:11:36,959
search

325
00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:40,079
for life and uh and he always

326
00:11:43,829 --> 00:11:42,240
embraced the school system we'd have

327
00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:43,839
friday saturday nights sometimes we'd

328
00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:44,640
have

329
00:11:48,790 --> 00:11:46,800
classes and then hordes of kids over at

330
00:11:52,230 --> 00:11:48,800
the house every look at the observatory

331
00:11:54,629 --> 00:11:52,240
and it was and roswell was spoken of

332
00:11:57,269 --> 00:11:54,639
never never to the alarm of anybody

333
00:11:59,590 --> 00:11:57,279
always very positive

334
00:12:01,750 --> 00:11:59,600
on that matter anyway you know another

335
00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:01,760
thing that i heard about your father

336
00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:04,880
in particular uh several times

337
00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:07,200
and again at that conference last year

338
00:12:09,990 --> 00:12:09,040
was that your father was a true patriot

339
00:12:13,110 --> 00:12:10,000
and he really

340
00:12:16,550 --> 00:12:13,120
you know really uh it really meant a lot

341
00:12:19,750 --> 00:12:16,560
to him to serve his country yes

342
00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:19,760
yeah he he in in the in his

343
00:12:23,030 --> 00:12:21,760
i had to put it waning days because they

344
00:12:25,509 --> 00:12:23,040
weren't winning at the time

345
00:12:27,269 --> 00:12:25,519
that we knew of anyway his i mean some

346
00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:27,279
of his responses would be

347
00:12:31,030 --> 00:12:29,120
that you know please remember me for

348
00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:31,040
what i did for my country

349
00:12:35,190 --> 00:12:33,680
and that instead of roswell yes yeah

350
00:12:37,750 --> 00:12:35,200
that was it and he really

351
00:12:39,030 --> 00:12:37,760
on on on his side he was hoping to live

352
00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:39,040
long enough to hear the

353
00:12:43,670 --> 00:12:41,279
our government publicly talk about

354
00:12:45,750 --> 00:12:43,680
roswell and and release the information

355
00:12:47,430 --> 00:12:45,760
and and to finally you know bring the

356
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bring to light but uh

357
00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:49,440
but no he he was he was very proud of

358
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his military career and

359
00:12:53,990 --> 00:12:52,720
you know it's it's because you know

360
00:12:55,030 --> 00:12:54,000
roswell his father

361
00:12:57,030 --> 00:12:55,040
and that kind of thing that it was

362
00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:57,040
almost kind of intertwined right

363
00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:58,880
but you know i would think that he would

364
00:13:02,310 --> 00:13:00,079
have

365
00:13:03,430 --> 00:13:02,320
a sense of betrayal um with the

366
00:13:06,470 --> 00:13:03,440
government as they

367
00:13:08,949 --> 00:13:06,480
you know constantly brushed off roswell

368
00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:08,959
and came up with you know the crash test

369
00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:10,399
dummies that was impossible because they

370
00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:11,600
weren't even sure all that crazy

371
00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:12,480
concepts yes

372
00:13:16,629 --> 00:13:14,560
so did he ever feel to your knowledge

373
00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:16,639
did he ever feel betrayed by his country

374
00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:18,720
in that way

375
00:13:22,389 --> 00:13:20,560
no but he understood there was a big

376
00:13:25,110 --> 00:13:22,399
distinction between

377
00:13:26,710 --> 00:13:25,120
his life as a military officer and some

378
00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:26,720
things that the government was doing

379
00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:29,279
um he had some meetings uh the one well

380
00:13:33,670 --> 00:13:30,480
i think it's fairly public know

381
00:13:36,790 --> 00:13:33,680
probably known with uh dick motto and

382
00:13:37,509 --> 00:13:36,800
where he was uh well he obviously went

383
00:13:39,910 --> 00:13:37,519
out and

384
00:13:41,350 --> 00:13:39,920
had a conversation with dick tomato she

385
00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:41,360
had him go out there and they

386
00:13:46,550 --> 00:13:44,399
they talked about how not not the

387
00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:46,560
question of roswell being real or not

388
00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:49,600
but basically that uh funds were being

389
00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:50,639
diverted

390
00:13:53,910 --> 00:13:52,399
to do this cover-up of roswell all the

391
00:13:56,949 --> 00:13:53,920
time in the late 90s

392
00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:56,959
but uh it and they talked about you know

393
00:14:01,189 --> 00:13:57,360
that

394
00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:01,199
what people you know there's some

395
00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:03,360
quasi-term the black government the

396
00:14:05,829 --> 00:14:04,959
hidden government whatever whatever you

397
00:14:07,189 --> 00:14:05,839
want to call it

398
00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:07,199
and they were actually they were

399
00:14:10,790 --> 00:14:08,800
investigating that and roswell was the

400
00:14:13,430 --> 00:14:10,800
basis of their investigation of how

401
00:14:13,829 --> 00:14:13,440
funds were being drived here being being

402
00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:13,839
you know

403
00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:15,920
scooped in that direction and he always

404
00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:17,040
he always did have the distinction

405
00:14:19,430 --> 00:14:17,839
between

406
00:14:21,030 --> 00:14:19,440
the government that you and i know and

407
00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:21,040
then the government that is

408
00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:23,920
somewhat subversive wow again uh if

409
00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:24,720
you're listening

410
00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:26,160
live right now you can jump over to

411
00:14:30,389 --> 00:14:28,720
podcast ufo you know two clicks sign in

412
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:30,399
on our chat room you can ask our guests

413
00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:32,160
this evening some questions

414
00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:35,360
for the person like to say in listening

415
00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:36,160
right now and

416
00:14:39,829 --> 00:14:38,639
say like switzerland or the ukraine that

417
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:39,839
may not have

418
00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:43,199
a whole sense of the marcel family

419
00:14:47,590 --> 00:14:46,000
and roswell can you just kind of in a

420
00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:47,600
nutshell go over

421
00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:50,399
the story of of your grandfather

422
00:14:54,629 --> 00:14:51,839
bringing the

423
00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:54,639
debris home and handling it and all that

424
00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:56,000
can you just kind of give the whole

425
00:15:01,110 --> 00:14:57,120
story

426
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:01,120
sure in great brevity the uh uh

427
00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,000
a rash named brazil out in the uh

428
00:15:09,110 --> 00:15:05,839
basically outside of roslinda mexico

429
00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:09,120
near corona had uh heard a large

430
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,320
crash in the middle of night large

431
00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:12,399
explosion rattled his

432
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:15,040
little farmhouse or ranch house and he

433
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:16,079
investigated

434
00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:19,440
strange debris ended up

435
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,639
talking to a local sheriff in roswell

436
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:24,480
who in turn called the military base

437
00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:26,880
because it had some extraordinary

438
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:27,920
some beyond something you couldn't

439
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:29,120
understand didn't understand what the

440
00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:31,199
material was i'd never seen it before

441
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:33,839
that phone call led to my grandfather's

442
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:35,120
boss like colonel blanchard

443
00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,079
and uh as my grandfather was the head

444
00:15:43,749 --> 00:15:40,800
intelligence officer for the 509

445
00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:43,759
bombing group and he was the perfect

446
00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:44,959
person at the right time

447
00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:48,000
to be sent for primarily

448
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,600
for initially over the wilcox's office

449
00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:51,600
to look at the debris and say yes this

450
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:52,160
is

451
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:54,880
looks pretty strange to me and uh that's

452
00:15:57,509 --> 00:15:55,680
where he was set

453
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:57,519
out along with the disinformation

454
00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:58,880
officer to

455
00:16:01,990 --> 00:16:00,720
look in the field full of this kind of

456
00:16:05,430 --> 00:16:02,000
debris

457
00:16:06,790 --> 00:16:05,440
my grandfather when he saw his in his in

458
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:06,800
his own words

459
00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:08,320
he said that this was not made by human

460
00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:10,720
hands period no question never weighed

461
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:12,880
on it those those were his exact words

462
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:15,279
he also knew how the military worked and

463
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:17,680
knew that this was extraordinary and

464
00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:19,600
it would be no time that the this would

465
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:20,800
be all swept up

466
00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,000
and that it that uh probably out of

467
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:26,000
you know any a civilian view for a

468
00:16:30,629 --> 00:16:27,279
number of years maybe

469
00:16:34,710 --> 00:16:30,639
maybe indefinitely and he broke records

470
00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:34,720
or broke broke his uh basically the the

471
00:16:41,189 --> 00:16:38,000
his uh apologizing for the word anyway

472
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:41,199
he went basically against regulation um

473
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:43,839
to go to his house that night with with

474
00:16:47,829 --> 00:16:45,120
some of the debris

475
00:16:49,269 --> 00:16:47,839
uh where he woke up my father and his

476
00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,279
wife theo

477
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:51,440
to show them the debris and to say this

478
00:16:54,069 --> 00:16:52,800
is something extraordinary i want you

479
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:54,079
guys to see it

480
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:55,440
you know it's something probably nobody

481
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:57,519
else has ever seen and

482
00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:59,600
laid the debris out on the floor and

483
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:00,639
they tried to

484
00:17:03,990 --> 00:17:02,240
make some kind of sense for it at the

485
00:17:05,110 --> 00:17:04,000
time the technology was you know tubes

486
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:05,120
and wires and that kind of thing and

487
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:06,559
none of that existed and debris brought

488
00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:07,439
home with them

489
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,799
um just some interesting uh sheet metal

490
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,199
very lightweight sheet metal uh little

491
00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:16,079
beams that turned out to have uh

492
00:17:20,309 --> 00:17:17,839
symbols on them if you look at the right

493
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,319
angle almost like a holographic image

494
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:22,640
and uh like a black plastic or a brown

495
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,640
to black plastic material

496
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:27,360
um with that uh later that morning he

497
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:28,720
brought it all to the base and

498
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,919
that was that was really the beginning

499
00:17:32,150 --> 00:17:31,679
of it he was really the if i've always

500
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,160
commented

501
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:34,160
he was the lead investigator and he

502
00:17:36,710 --> 00:17:35,360
ended up becoming a lot more involved

503
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:36,720
later on but uh

504
00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:39,600
that's kind of the story yeah thank you

505
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:40,880
you know one of the things i it just

506
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:42,000
came to mind is

507
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:43,760
why didn't anyone that handled this

508
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:45,520
stuff take pictures

509
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:47,520
quietly actually he had this in your

510
00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,120
house right

511
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:51,840
in his house i mean in his house yeah

512
00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:52,320
and

513
00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:53,600
he could have just snapped a picture

514
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:56,000
that would have been

515
00:18:02,549 --> 00:17:59,120
you know i i think he was still mindful

516
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:02,559
of his orders and he was i mean

517
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,760
he was i mean he was the head of

518
00:18:07,750 --> 00:18:05,760
intelligence for the most elite

519
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:07,760
you know uh really military group in the

520
00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:10,160
world and i think he was still staying

521
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,480
tied to that and he he wandered a little

522
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,160
bit outside of that but

523
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:16,559
uh stayed close enough now there was

524
00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:17,520
there was a time

525
00:18:21,990 --> 00:18:20,080
later on that uh latchers were actually

526
00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:22,000
pretty good friends with my grandparents

527
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:24,320
and after it was all said and done

528
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,760
apparently he brought over a little

529
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:26,880
piece and they examined

530
00:18:30,470 --> 00:18:29,440
the house this is after uh uh you know

531
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:30,480
months after it was all

532
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:33,200
long gone and brushed away you mean to

533
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:34,880
talk about it they actually held on to a

534
00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:36,160
little piece of it for a while is that

535
00:18:39,350 --> 00:18:37,360
what you're saying

536
00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:39,360
this is the great mystery of the time is

537
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:40,960
that he brought it over to the house

538
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:43,600
and to show up to to basically sit in

539
00:18:46,630 --> 00:18:45,120
the they played bridge at night on the

540
00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:46,640
weekends the the blanchards and the

541
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,840
marcels did

542
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:49,280
and he brought a piece over after

543
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:50,480
everything was done so they could take a

544
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:52,240
look at it and that piece is

545
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:54,240
somewhere i don't know where it's at but

546
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,400
it didn't end up somewhere i'll give you

547
00:19:00,789 --> 00:18:58,559
500 bucks if you find that

548
00:19:01,909 --> 00:19:00,799
yeah but you got it okay and don't bring

549
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:01,919
me tinfoil either

550
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:04,640
hey um someone on the message board

551
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:06,240
peggy's asking

552
00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,840
on what you meant by a disinformation

553
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:10,720
officer

554
00:19:18,310 --> 00:19:15,919
is was sent out with my grandfather to

555
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:18,320
look at debris they wanted somebody on

556
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:19,600
the spot to be able to

557
00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:21,200
create a cover story now the

558
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,640
disinformation officer

559
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:24,240
was not truly a military officer a

560
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:25,919
government official

561
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:28,000
so from the from the get-go they wanted

562
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:29,600
to create a cover story

563
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:30,880
if it turned out to be what they thought

564
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:33,600
it was and he rode along with him and

565
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:36,080
my grandfather dispersed him back back

566
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,440
to the back of town before my

567
00:19:39,590 --> 00:19:38,880
grandfather left the debris to go to his

568
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:39,600
house

569
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,200
but uh it was you know i don't know if

570
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,880
it was normal for the military to do

571
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:44,880
to bring somebody like that along but in

572
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:46,559
this situation yes they

573
00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:47,840
they did not go out without a cover

574
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:50,480
story being written up to basically

575
00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:53,039
to cover it yeah now did your

576
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,320
grandfather

577
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:56,240
or had you ever talked with your father

578
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:57,679
or your grandfather

579
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:00,799
did he interact with um

580
00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:03,679
fellow officers about this did they i

581
00:20:09,029 --> 00:20:05,440
mean i can only imagine that

582
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:09,039
if you saw something like this you know

583
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:11,039
it would leave such an impression that

584
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:12,400
you couldn't

585
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:15,840
keep it to yourself like for instance um

586
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:19,120
you know you hear of your grandfather

587
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,320
and then you hear of other people that

588
00:20:23,909 --> 00:20:22,159
were involved in it but there had to be

589
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,919
so many military people that were

590
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,039
involved in

591
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,080
and cleaning this up and the thing that

592
00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:29,520
always gets me is that you just don't

593
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:29,919
hear

594
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:32,159
a lot of people like it's it wasn't i

595
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,159
know a lot of people took their oath

596
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:37,200
uh very seriously but they might there

597
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:38,640
must have been a lot of talk between

598
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,520
themselves

599
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,840
have you ever heard anything about that

600
00:20:45,029 --> 00:20:43,280
he does and

601
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:45,039
his his basically response to other

602
00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:46,720
officers were involved

603
00:20:50,630 --> 00:20:48,720
were because you know the typical

604
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:50,640
marital they didn't want one person

605
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,840
involved in the whole

606
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,360
like all everything that roswell met

607
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:55,360
there all the all the investigations i

608
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,000
think it was all

609
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,280
separated and uh some of his friends

610
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:01,520
which were fellow officers

611
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,360
he basically said i wasn't privy to that

612
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,720
information directly but

613
00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:06,000
you can believe what they had to say and

614
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:07,440
they were talking about a second crash

615
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,640
site

616
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:10,720
that sort of thing so it was a hot topic

617
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,240
in fact um

618
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,559
when the morticium if you notice along

619
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:15,840
with the story a mortician came over

620
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:16,400
with

621
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:18,400
i was was asked to build some small

622
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,520
caskets and

623
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,200
even in his remarks going over the thing

624
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,600
they said that that roswell was a flurry

625
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:26,159
uh there was a you know the population

626
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,840
on the air base was much greater than

627
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,720
normal

628
00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:30,000
and that they're like so there's a

629
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,080
flurry of activity right

630
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,720
it was quite a big deal there is uh

631
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:35,679
there is one

632
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:38,159
really interesting facet to the whole

633
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:39,520
situation and that

634
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,840
at the uh near the end of july when

635
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,960
things started

636
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,000
at least on the surface apparently

637
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:46,240
they're quite quieting down my

638
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:48,240
grandfather and colonel blatcher were

639
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,559
both set on a two-week leave of absence

640
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:52,320
and i know from my father or

641
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,679
grandfather's side anyway that that

642
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:55,600
leave of absence wasn't to go home

643
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:58,320
it was basically to escape all uh you

644
00:22:02,070 --> 00:21:58,880
know

645
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,080
also

646
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,000
the the the relegation that there wasn't

647
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,159
a need for um

648
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:07,919
you know more paper could be drawn up

649
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:10,559
but he's right he and blanchard both

650
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:12,720
at the exact same time i'm sorry

651
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:13,600
everyone

652
00:22:17,190 --> 00:22:16,240
i i'm in a hotel room i'll repeat for

653
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:17,200
the guests

654
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:19,120
for the uh people that are just starting

655
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,320
to listen

656
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,120
i'm in a hotel room my uh internet went

657
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:24,559
down at my office

658
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:27,600
so i'm dedicated enough to rent a room

659
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,960
to do the show and my microphone

660
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:33,280
just i couldn't attach my microphone

661
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,240
properly

662
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,400
and i thought i had it finally and it

663
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:38,000
just jumped right off of the

664
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,440
table so uh sorry for that noise

665
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:43,120
um you know that made me completely

666
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:51,750
um well like i said well you know

667
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,280
back to what you're talking about i mean

668
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,440
there were a lot of officers involved

669
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:57,280
um a lot of upper-level officers and

670
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,320
obviously you know you've heard the

671
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,080
stories around the stories about the

672
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:02,159
other generals and and commanders that

673
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,600
kind of thing that were involved

674
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,280
as far as kind of the people he worked

675
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,919
with you know i said his friends that

676
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,200
were officers

677
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,960
they we know they communicated about it

678
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,240
i know that you know he and

679
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,000
colonel blanchard communicated quite

680
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:15,520
often

681
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,039
really um now um

682
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:22,400
you know the the famous photograph

683
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:26,159
of the weather balloon debris um

684
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:29,760
and did did your

685
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,080
your father really get interested when

686
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:33,600
they were able to

687
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,039
uh decipher some of the text in that

688
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,760
my father talked about that all the time

689
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:41,520
it was really fascinating that

690
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:44,000
that that note uh you know had it you

691
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,760
know looked like the cipher that it did

692
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,320
there was something about bodies and i i

693
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:50,320
he talked about that quite often

694
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:54,000
he did wow yeah um and you know i i

695
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,960
thought about that um just recently and

696
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,919
you know i think

697
00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:00,159
as time you know goes along we're gonna

698
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:01,360
get even

699
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:04,720
more and more uh technical ways to

700
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,520
you know discern letters like that and

701
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:08,880
um i bet you

702
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:11,600
you know since that's an original photo

703
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,799
that they're working with

704
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,200
or negative i bet you that thing gets

705
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:16,799
cracked eventually

706
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,159
and you know that still could be the

707
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:20,480
smoking gun

708
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:24,159
it it definitely you know it's out there

709
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,520
it can't be

710
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:27,039
yeah it's available you're right and as

711
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,400
technology gets better and better it's

712
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,159
like there i i can't imagine that

713
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:32,000
more is going to come from that right

714
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:33,600
absolutely yeah

715
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:37,039
yep and what other things did your

716
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:40,559
father follow in regards to roswell now

717
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,120
there's

718
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,720
been a number of people that have

719
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,159
written books about it

720
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:46,400
there's been there are a number of

721
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:49,039
ongoing people still investigating it

722
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,279
did he ever feel like jumping right in

723
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:52,799
himself and and doing some

724
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,230
you know i had that's another good

725
00:25:02,630 --> 00:24:59,520
question

726
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,640
not not so much i think he was

727
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:05,120
he was happy with his part of the story

728
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:05,760
and

729
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:08,320
he he definitely had opinions about some

730
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:09,440
what some people were saying and some

731
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:10,880
people were not saying

732
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,240
but uh not you know honestly not really

733
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,279
he just i think his investigations

734
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:20,000
went past roswell you know to astronomy

735
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,279
the cosmos

736
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:23,679
uh physics the ability you know what it

737
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,720
he you know

738
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:26,400
we had more conversations about the

739
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:27,679
structure of the universe than we did

740
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:28,159
about

741
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:30,640
roswell in later years wow that's kind

742
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:32,880
of a fascination of mine as well

743
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,760
um andy on the message board who

744
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:37,279
actually does the uh

745
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,480
um astronomy bits in the uk just asked

746
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:42,320
wasn't roswell um

747
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,520
near a nuclear uh base

748
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:48,000
uh like ben waters now that's white

749
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:48,960
wasn't it

750
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:52,240
you know i'm getting my geography all

751
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:53,039
mixed up

752
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,840
was there any nukes anywhere near

753
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,480
roswell

754
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:58,799
well you know all i know is it there was

755
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,520
either white

756
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,720
let me see what's the name of the

757
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:02,480
there's an air base real close there

758
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:03,279
white sands

759
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,880
there was a lot of activity in the area

760
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,440
and of course

761
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,039
you know i'm not quite sure exactly what

762
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,600
happened on the air base directly other

763
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,039
than they they were the

764
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:15,679
the nuclear bombing group for the world

765
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:16,320
for world war

766
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,679
ii so i mean as far as technology was it

767
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:20,720
was all right there

768
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:23,679
yep um i forgot about that you're right

769
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,000
and

770
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:25,919
you know it's obvious in question well

771
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:27,200
you know if there was a place that you

772
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,240
wanted to take a look at

773
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,320
that they were the right place to be

774
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:31,600
looking yeah

775
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:34,240
now since um the family was involved in

776
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,159
this another question on the board

777
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:39,200
uh i imagine you know i i had a sighting

778
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,000
myself and

779
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:42,559
and since i have i'm constantly looking

780
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,200
up

781
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:45,600
in this guys and did your family anyone

782
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,440
in your family have any type of ufo

783
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,120
sightings

784
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,840
you know a big one me my brother and

785
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,960
father

786
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,360
were out in the country in montana and i

787
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:56,799
noticed something strange up in the sky

788
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:58,159
and we pulled the car over and we sat

789
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,240
and watched it for about 45 minutes

790
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,320
and it was actually its behavior wasn't

791
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,400
that of a regular aircraft

792
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:06,000
it was just moving erratically then shot

793
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:07,520
up out of sight we we actually pulled

794
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,720
over and sat and talked to our watch for

795
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,240
about probably 45 minutes

796
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,159
and that that is that is as far as the

797
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,679
family goes that's what we saw

798
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:16,240
wow um that's pretty exciting for 45

799
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:16,880
minutes

800
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,919
and tell me you took pictures you know

801
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:21,120
what no we're just looking i don't i

802
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:22,320
don't know if we even had a camera she

803
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:24,000
might be like a handful or

804
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,200
cell phones back then and that kind of

805
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,039
thing well before that but

806
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:28,720
i know i know you know that's one thing

807
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,159
you never think of is like

808
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,679
back then know it you know either you

809
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:33,039
had your camera with you in the glove

810
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,320
box so you didn't

811
00:27:38,070 --> 00:27:36,720
you know no i mean we would spend you

812
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,080
know it was always interesting in the

813
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,919
night sky and in montana's you know

814
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:41,279
where we live down the country was

815
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,559
completely dark

816
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:45,360
no no light no radiation or no no no

817
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:46,640
pollution excuse me

818
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:48,640
and you know we it was it was fun to

819
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:50,000
look at because you know look up

820
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,279
see satellites all over the place and

821
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,120
then you might pick one out that maybe

822
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,440
was going forward and made a 90 degree

823
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,200
abrupt turn that kind of thing we think

824
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,880
that's kind of interesting

825
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,320
yeah because satellites don't behave

826
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,600
like that but that's obviously something

827
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:03,279
you know floating around up there so

828
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:06,799
yeah yeah yeah um now i want to

829
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,840
also ask you did your your father was in

830
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,360
the medical field

831
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:14,080
and he had been for years now in the

832
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:15,600
medical field

833
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,799
or um when he was serving the country

834
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:21,039
either way did he ever get any ridicule

835
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,240
about this i mean

836
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,000
people probably recognized his name that

837
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,279
anyone that's looked into roswell

838
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:29,520
you know not that i know i mean there

839
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:34,389
his biggest i mean his biggest thing

840
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,399
that ever happened and i recall

841
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,039
as far as uh ridicule which might not be

842
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,799
ridiculed is that at one point the

843
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,720
government came forward and said that my

844
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:44,880
grandfather was never in the military

845
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,240
what and yeah and my father i've never

846
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:50,640
seen him get so upset

847
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,640
and uh he you know it basically he he

848
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:56,080
he got it all straightened out and he

849
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,760
said yes it was in there okay yes you're

850
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:59,120
right he was in the military but

851
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,120
there was a period in the in the i would

852
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,799
have lived in their very early 80s

853
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:04,000
where they actually said that my

854
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,960
grandfather was never even in the

855
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:05,840
military

856
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,159
oh my god that's that sounds like an

857
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,320
ongoing cover-up doesn't it yeah

858
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,320
well and then you know imagine that that

859
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,480
you know the all the records on roswell

860
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,480
burned up in a fire during the short

861
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,760
period that roswell had you know the

862
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,799
1947

863
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:21,600
middle of july and that kind of thing um

864
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,080
yeah

865
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,480
it's just a lot of amazing coincidences

866
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,000
but that as far as standing out

867
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,760
now there were people that would you

868
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,840
know and they don't really exist as much

869
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:31,440
you know today as they did maybe 20

870
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,880
years ago some people

871
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,640
really went out on the edge speaking

872
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,799
against anybody who saw anything

873
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,080
and i think there were some things

874
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:39,840
written about my father which he more or

875
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,399
less just

876
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,480
laughed off because if you know is

877
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:44,159
saying if you can't if you can't attack

878
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:45,279
the you know the proof that you're gonna

879
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,320
attack the person

880
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,240
but my that was pretty impenetrable i

881
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:49,679
mean he he was you know he was

882
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:52,320
i mean a great american hero really and

883
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:53,200
uh

884
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,559
you know they try it but it really you

885
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:56,240
know he just slept it off it wasn't it

886
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:57,600
wasn't really important to him he knew

887
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:58,480
the truth

888
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,159
yeah yeah that's great and um

889
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,840
i'm sorry i'm having trouble holding my

890
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:06,080
mic i have to leave it again

891
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:09,200
pardon me everyone um if you could see

892
00:30:11,830 --> 00:30:10,480
the way i'm

893
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,840
if there was a camera in here you'd

894
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:13,120
everyone would be laughing because i

895
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:13,840
have this mic

896
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:15,600
on a big arm that swings down and the

897
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:18,720
whole arm is what fell on top of me

898
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,240
so now i'm holding it um now didn't your

899
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:24,320
your father and your grandfather write a

900
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,520
book

901
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:27,919
and uh didn't they get some heat this is

902
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,799
from the message board

903
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:33,520
now she that my grandfather never wrote

904
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:34,240
a book

905
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:37,440
okay father or grandfather i'm sorry

906
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,480
so your father did yeah and i you know i

907
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,720
i don't know of any heat that so much

908
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,799
came of it there's a

909
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,840
um you know it was it was

910
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:50,000
i think the only thing that people were

911
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,960
upset about

912
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,720
the the book was that it didn't really

913
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,000
have a lot of

914
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:56,399
they're much much outside of the uh

915
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:58,399
what's already out there

916
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,519
um my father he kept a little more of

917
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:03,200
his personal life personal

918
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,720
and i'm not quite sure if that was

919
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:06,559
mixing or whatever but you know overall

920
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:06,960
not

921
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:09,360
really there was a i know i was i was

922
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:10,480
there when the whole book was when we

923
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:11,919
were putting the book together so i

924
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,120
not yeah not that i know of um like i

925
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,960
i actually have a book out myself that

926
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,240
we that

927
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,399
it's kind of a tragic story is it put

928
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,919
together

929
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,080
research for a half dozen years outside

930
00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:25,679
of which what the family was involved

931
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,559
with

932
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:29,039
and uh he was we were going to go on a

933
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,720
book signing tour together

934
00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:33,039
and when i was in texas down a little

935
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:34,399
vacation with the family we got a phone

936
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:34,960
call

937
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,200
then my father had passed away and

938
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:39,200
literally when i got home a box of books

939
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:40,080
from the publisher was sitting on the

940
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,799
front test

941
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:43,120
on the front steps so he never he never

942
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:44,480
got to see the finished product that was

943
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:45,600
kind of the next step in the whole

944
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:46,000
journey

945
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:48,720
but it just didn't happen yeah that's

946
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:49,919
really sad

947
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,600
um i want to talk about um the debunkers

948
00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:56,799
because there's been so many debunkers

949
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,640
when it comes to roswell because it's

950
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:00,080
you know it's the

951
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:05,840
um i think when it comes to the whole

952
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:06,960
ufo

953
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:10,559
scenario and how did your father deal

954
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,039
with

955
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:14,000
the debunkers you know before you answer

956
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:14,720
that

957
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:18,080
you know there is the story about

958
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:21,840
some i think it's a toy company that

959
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:24,880
somehow had um like higher

960
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:27,120
hieroglyphic well i'm having a hard time

961
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:28,159
saying that

962
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,840
um the hieroglyphics on the

963
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,760
beams they thought that's where that

964
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:35,039
came from and

965
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,880
and they had answers for everything you

966
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,039
know answers for everything and uh

967
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:41,679
and there are some adamant debunkers out

968
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:42,240
there

969
00:32:46,310 --> 00:32:45,200
that just really attacked roswell and

970
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,320
and what did your father

971
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:49,200
feel about that well if i could address

972
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,080
those situations

973
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,120
one there there was the dr moore

974
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,360
who came up the story that the scotch

975
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,960
tape that held the raw one targets

976
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,840
together

977
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,600
was left over from the war and it was

978
00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,799
actually christmas tape and the

979
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,399
christmas tape had

980
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:05,600
symbols christmas trees and and i happen

981
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,320
to have all

982
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:08,480
we went back and i actually have all the

983
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,600
tapes which was

984
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,960
released by scotch and all those kind of

985
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,720
things those time period and you know

986
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,919
it's it's a it's

987
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:16,240
an interesting story the the biggest

988
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,440
thing that i have is

989
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,640
is that's where we went through when we

990
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,240
were doing this book is we have pictures

991
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,519
of that tape and then we have pictures

992
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,679
of all the raw and targets

993
00:33:26,470 --> 00:33:25,120
and highlighted where you can see all

994
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:26,480
the edges on them and the edges didn't

995
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,279
have any of these

996
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,039
this kind of tape on them it's perfectly

997
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:30,799
clear there's

998
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,720
it's nonsensical what they're saying i

999
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:34,159
mean you in their own photograph their

1000
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,600
own photographs prove that what they're

1001
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:37,279
saying there's no truth to

1002
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,279
as far as the debunkers go there were a

1003
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,120
lot more of them in their 80s than the

1004
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:42,799
90s and even now

1005
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,480
um and it's it usually the you know

1006
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:49,120
my father would always welcome a skeptic

1007
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,919
always

1008
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,760
you know it maybe it was this well

1009
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:53,440
you're right you know it was always very

1010
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,240
welcome

1011
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,600
well you were you know

1012
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:58,640
like i said if you can't talk about the

1013
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,760
information they try to attack the

1014
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:01,200
person they just you know relegated them

1015
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:01,840
to

1016
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,960
but honestly you know there's there

1017
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:06,960
might have been some attacks going on

1018
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,000
but uh they you know it was it was

1019
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,560
small enough that and and at least

1020
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,240
within our family we knew the truth

1021
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,159
that it really didn't phase anything

1022
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,760
yeah we always looked at a lot of people

1023
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,520
it's one thing to be a skeptic and be

1024
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,679
reasonable and and bring up evidence you

1025
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,800
know there's all you know

1026
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,399
what what it could have been what made

1027
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,839
sense great

1028
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,359
and when other people are are doing it

1029
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:30,079
because they just have an axe to grind

1030
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:31,040
or whatever and then those kind of

1031
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,320
people is kind of dismissed but it seems

1032
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,079
like there's less and less those people

1033
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,960
um now definitely the younger generation

1034
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,720
uh

1035
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,240
i have a couple of young kids you know

1036
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,919
on the next couple generations

1037
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:44,000
and they are they more or less want

1038
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:45,440
they'd like to see the proof but they

1039
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:46,720
want to be proven that it's true not

1040
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:47,839
proven as fault

1041
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,960
right right you know one of the

1042
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:51,679
debunkers

1043
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,639
or a lot of them i should say are saying

1044
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,079
well the whole explanation behind this

1045
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:58,400
whole thing and why it was kept such

1046
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:01,680
uh top secret is because of you know it

1047
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,800
was the mogul

1048
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:05,119
a spy balloon to hear if the russians

1049
00:35:09,510 --> 00:35:06,400
were you know

1050
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,520
setting off nuclear weapons and all that

1051
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:12,000
and so they'll go right into that and

1052
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,599
they'll just stick with that that's it

1053
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,280
that's it and that's the end of end of

1054
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:16,960
story and i actually

1055
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:20,240
i actually know a uh a ufologist

1056
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,200
basically

1057
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,320
that thinks roswell never happened so

1058
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:25,760
there's a lot of people that

1059
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,800
you know you know attacked the story

1060
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,160
about the whole thing but there's a lot

1061
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,760
of you know there's still a lot of

1062
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,720
questions

1063
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,880
um you know i'm still baffled by the two

1064
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,240
different crashes

1065
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,960
and you know whether it was a collision

1066
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,800
whether it was an escape pod

1067
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:43,280
um you know there's all kinds of

1068
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:44,160
theories behind

1069
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,760
that and i think stanton friedman

1070
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:47,760
thought it was a a collision

1071
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,640
and another researcher you know thought

1072
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,800
it absolutely was not it was a

1073
00:35:55,829 --> 00:35:54,000
probably part of the ship and that's

1074
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:55,839
where the crew was in and

1075
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,960
you know all that um

1076
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,720
did i just ask you a question or am i

1077
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,000
rambling i can't i don't know what are

1078
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:03,599
you talking no no i it

1079
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:05,680
it is you know stanton friedman he

1080
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,640
definitely when you talk to my

1081
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,000
grandfather originally kind of brought

1082
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,599
the the story public i

1083
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:11,119
now i wasn't familiar with exactly what

1084
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:12,400
stanton friedman said is he thought it

1085
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,280
was a crash

1086
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,599
we've always had our own ideas you know

1087
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:17,359
uh about what happened what might not

1088
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:18,480
have happened as far as causing the

1089
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,280
crash

1090
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,040
why it was where it was those sort of

1091
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,560
things um

1092
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,800
you know back to the row and target you

1093
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:26,000
know it's that that's

1094
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:27,520
that that's that's that's a good

1095
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,960
argument there's one thing that kind of

1096
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,480
pulls that one apart

1097
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:32,000
if somebody a debunker really wants to

1098
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,599
go back and investigate that look at my

1099
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,760
grandfather who just graduated from

1100
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:37,440
a radar intelligence school where they

1101
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,280
studied amazingly enough rolling

1102
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,599
targets and your mogul projects and to

1103
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,720
think that he went out

1104
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,560
after getting a diploma in that exact

1105
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:46,320
area and not understanding what he was

1106
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,359
looking at is

1107
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,920
crazy so you're basically you're caught

1108
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,280
in a position where

1109
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,599
you either believe that my grandfather

1110
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,960
was just part of a grand

1111
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,359
scheme to create a big story and there

1112
00:37:01,349 --> 00:36:59,119
was a lot of collusion

1113
00:37:02,790 --> 00:37:01,359
or there was something to it you really

1114
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:02,800
got to fall on one of those two sides of

1115
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,520
the line

1116
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:05,440
like i said the mogul balloon can be

1117
00:37:07,750 --> 00:37:06,880
there's there's so many holes can be

1118
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,760
shot in that thing

1119
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,520
even you know dr moore he met with my

1120
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,200
gran my father one time

1121
00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:13,280
and they both agreed to disagree about

1122
00:37:16,710 --> 00:37:14,400
some of the material like

1123
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,720
for instance like the the foil on a raw

1124
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:18,560
one target had a white paper backing in

1125
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:18,880
that

1126
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,640
and father talked about

1127
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:24,560
it was the silver foil had no backing it

1128
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:25,680
was very thin that kind of thing i mean

1129
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,640
little things like that

1130
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:29,200
number two is raw when targets were you

1131
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,720
know they had basically a microphone and

1132
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:32,160
a recorder in them

1133
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,760
none of that existed any of the debris

1134
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:35,040
they also had you know a stream of

1135
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,079
balloons 24

1136
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,880
30 balloons lots of uh twine that kind

1137
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,680
of thing

1138
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,280
none of those was found at the at the

1139
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:43,440
crash site another point

1140
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,640
i had to rattle stuff off um

1141
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:48,000
when was the last time you saw the

1142
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:50,720
military throw out a top secret project

1143
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:51,200
and make

1144
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,240
pictures of it and put it over the

1145
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,400
newspapers you know

1146
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,240
to keep people from you know

1147
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:58,000
investigating roswell further

1148
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,680
it's just it like it doesn't make sense

1149
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:01,599
we the military wouldn't do that and

1150
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,680
the mogu balloon project was top secret

1151
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:05,280
the materials that weren't top secret

1152
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,320
they could be found on the shelf

1153
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:09,119
at a store but the actual purpose i mean

1154
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,599
you

1155
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,359
they would they just they they picked

1156
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:13,280
the better of two evils i in my opinion

1157
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,920
that

1158
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,839
they threw out the muggle balloon and

1159
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:17,119
let the whole world know we're doing

1160
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,240
with it even though up to that point it

1161
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,839
was completely top secret

1162
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:21,440
you know versus anybody else talking

1163
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,440
about roswell being a ufo which

1164
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:25,040
you know kind of doesn't make sense

1165
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,359
right now was there ever any doubt

1166
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:29,920
in with your father or grandfather that

1167
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:33,280
this was an alien ship

1168
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:36,000
100 with my grandfather absolutely it

1169
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,520
was not from here

1170
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:39,200
my father what he said you know

1171
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:40,880
basically it didn't make any sense the

1172
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,400
only thing that made sense to him

1173
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,480
was it came from somewhere else and like

1174
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,000
i said he in a way

1175
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,440
devoted his life to it his studies his

1176
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,200
study of astronomy

1177
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,359
so you know in his mind yes i mean that

1178
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,960
there there was never a wavering there

1179
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,680
was never

1180
00:38:59,910 --> 00:38:58,160
you know anything that anything but this

1181
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,920
and so you're talking about two people

1182
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:01,280
first-hand witnesses that actually

1183
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,400
handled the debris

1184
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,599
who believed completely was from

1185
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,680
somewhere else and like my dad kiddingly

1186
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,960
said you know something at least raw one

1187
00:39:08,950 --> 00:39:08,400
targets they're held together by balsa

1188
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,960
sticks

1189
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,640
you know i had i had models hanging from

1190
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,240
my air through my ceiling in my bedroom

1191
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,240
they were made of the same stuff i said

1192
00:39:17,349 --> 00:39:16,400
as a child i'd i would have figured that

1193
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,359
out

1194
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,440
right you know not that bad or that same

1195
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,720
old idea but

1196
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,400
it's just like i said they they they

1197
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:24,640
believe 100 it was from somewhere else

1198
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,839
and then it just boils down to the

1199
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,839
integrity of the people involved and was

1200
00:39:31,109 --> 00:39:29,839
her collusion throughout the country and

1201
00:39:33,190 --> 00:39:31,119
even some parts of the world that this

1202
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:33,200
was just some made-up story

1203
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,839
right now when your grandfather was out

1204
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,440
in the debris field he was out in the

1205
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,079
main debris field is that correct

1206
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,240
the first debris field the large one yes

1207
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:45,760
and getting back i know you mentioned

1208
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:46,640
something about the

1209
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:49,599
the other site was that was that like a

1210
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,160
known

1211
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,920
fact through you know everyone that

1212
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,599
worked in the first debris field

1213
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,680
did everyone know that there was another

1214
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,160
uh crash site

1215
00:40:01,349 --> 00:40:00,240
not at the beginning that was kind of

1216
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,359
the need to know there were

1217
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,920
there were people there were people on

1218
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:05,119
both sides and they weren't they but

1219
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:06,000
they didn't interact they weren't

1220
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,839
working together on it

1221
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:10,400
i see at that time yeah now you know

1222
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,880
that

1223
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,480
the story and my grandfather wasn't

1224
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,079
directly involved in this so uh

1225
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:16,000
so i can speculate or go by what the

1226
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,760
other people have researched as far as

1227
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,520
you know the areas being cordoned off

1228
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:21,359
there is uh you know scraping up every

1229
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:22,960
little piece of metal they could find

1230
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,240
um in fact i i did research i have my uh

1231
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,839
one of my projects we went through

1232
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:29,200
everything and then our argument is

1233
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,560
actually there's three crash sites not

1234
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:31,520
just two

1235
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,720
just like uh by patterns and and the

1236
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,079
traffic and different sightings from

1237
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:37,680
different people and that kind of thing

1238
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,720
but uh yeah there was a lot going on now

1239
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:42,400
do you remember it wasn't it like 40

1240
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,079
miles apart the two crash sites or was

1241
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:45,920
it even further

1242
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,839
you know i i would i should know that

1243
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,680
but but it was it was i think it was at

1244
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,720
least 40 miles

1245
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,280
yeah yeah now who do you think the best

1246
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:54,880
researcher

1247
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,240
i know you probably don't want to point

1248
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:58,160
the finger or

1249
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:59,680
point it away from someone but who do

1250
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,839
you think is the best researcher right

1251
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,640
now

1252
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,640
when it comes to roswell do you want to

1253
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:06,960
say that

1254
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,200
you know it's really hard to say

1255
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,040
if you're talking about from the you

1256
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:14,640
know the ufo side

1257
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,880
um gosh uh

1258
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,480
you know stanton freeman was always a

1259
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,319
favorite and then

1260
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:25,040
you know mine honestly is is you know

1261
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,000
donald schmidt

1262
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,280
uh kevin randle uh

1263
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,880
they both seem to have their thumb on it

1264
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:33,200
i i like uh kevin randle he's very

1265
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:36,720
uh he's uh methodical and not given to

1266
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,520
fancy and

1267
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:39,280
and very precise about what he says it

1268
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:40,319
kind of reminds me of father a little

1269
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:41,200
bit actually

1270
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,560
and donald schmidt is an incredible

1271
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,240
historian right

1272
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:46,480
and either there isn't one topic about

1273
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,920
roswell or people involved that he

1274
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:48,400
couldn't

1275
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,520
he can state chapter and verse exactly

1276
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:52,560
what happened

1277
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:55,119
so i would say those gentlemen now did

1278
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,079
you ever

1279
00:42:02,710 --> 00:41:59,839
know of your father um talking to other

1280
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:02,720
uh witnesses you know i know after stan

1281
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,280
freeman's

1282
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,119
you know uncovered i forget how many

1283
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:07,119
exactly and they kept growing and

1284
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:08,000
growing and

1285
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:10,640
i think there's something like 600 now

1286
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:11,599
in total

1287
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,280
um but had your had they ever spoke with

1288
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,200
have your father ever spoke with any of

1289
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,560
the witnesses

1290
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,160
yeah some of the townspeople that were

1291
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,920
living back that time had contacted my

1292
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:23,920
father in later years

1293
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,040
and had talked about it um he

1294
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,800
some of the stories were dead on the way

1295
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:30,160
he remembered it some of them were kind

1296
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,119
of fanciful

1297
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,960
so i i couldn't give you a name of a

1298
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,319
specific person

1299
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,960
but uh but no no definitely some people

1300
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,720
and it wasn't my my father honestly

1301
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,319
wasn't actually pursuing any of them

1302
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:42,400
but some were actually pursuing him

1303
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,079
right now i know

1304
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,960
you know the town of roswell has gotten

1305
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,800
kind of gone crazy a lot of it

1306
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,560
um you know you drive through and

1307
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,400
there's uh

1308
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,680
you know it's pretty big there's a lot

1309
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:55,040
of bizarre things going on there and

1310
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:55,520
there's some

1311
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,880
there too

1312
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,359
um and that visit there especially you

1313
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:02,960
know in the fourth of july

1314
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:05,760
um what did your father and what do you

1315
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,040
think about

1316
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:10,160
the fringe part of this and how it can

1317
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:18,309
you know i it's it it's all yeah i mean

1318
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,000
we've honestly tried to you know kind of

1319
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,119
stay away from the the absolute fringe

1320
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,280
but you know it's it's you know as far

1321
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,800
as them budding the waters you know

1322
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,560
some definitely they think oh it's just

1323
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,079
a bunch of cooks out there

1324
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:32,400
but you know even in some of these

1325
00:43:35,510 --> 00:43:33,760
people around the fringe some of their

1326
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,520
stories are actually pretty amazing

1327
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,440
and so you know some are you know i i

1328
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:38,880
honestly i i give it that

1329
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,800
you know this rough 80 20. yeah you know

1330
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:42,079
80 percent of what's out there

1331
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,200
probably not a whole lot of truth dude

1332
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,960
but there's a little nugget of something

1333
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,560
some of these people are saying

1334
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:49,280
um like i said i i tried to i just i was

1335
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:49,760
i

1336
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,000
used my grandfather

1337
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:56,480
as a as the you know the the yardstick

1338
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,920
and my father

1339
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,160
and if it gets too far away from what my

1340
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,400
grandfather

1341
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:04,000
i was lucky enough to spend my summers

1342
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:05,440
with my grandfather fishing with him so

1343
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,760
we had

1344
00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,800
we talked about a lot of different

1345
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,280
things and if if it's too far from what

1346
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:11,200
the way he talked about it then i i tend

1347
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:12,560
to think it's more fringy

1348
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,240
i i don't tell anybody you're just

1349
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,839
playing crazy but uh

1350
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,520
you know i try to like i say use him for

1351
00:44:20,230 --> 00:44:18,800
the art stick and depending on how far

1352
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:20,240
you get away from the yardsticks where i

1353
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,040
kind of lose

1354
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:23,040
that makes a lot of sense now did did

1355
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:24,480
your father know dr

1356
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:28,319
edgar mitchell yes um i bet they

1357
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:31,599
they they they seem similar in a way

1358
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:34,640
like similar times definitely

1359
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,440
i mean we all uh i and my sister denise

1360
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,720
and my father were all the citizen

1361
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,160
hearing last year

1362
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,960
and uh and he was part of that and it

1363
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,560
was kind of an interesting event

1364
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,000
and uh um you know definitely no they

1365
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:49,440
they do see eye to eye and actually my

1366
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,079
father was

1367
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,000
good friends with a number of astronauts

1368
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,280
um one of his favorite

1369
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:56,400
was actually a cosmonaut um that he was

1370
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,359
the the the

1371
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,760
they kept in pretty tight contact with

1372
00:45:02,309 --> 00:45:01,280
and you know it was just because you

1373
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:02,319
know some of the things that they had

1374
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,960
seen by

1375
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,640
you know when they're you know in space

1376
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,319
whether they're just completely

1377
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,720
astounding you know very credible people

1378
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:10,079
saying yeah there's something watching

1379
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,680
us you know no question about it

1380
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,760
and they always like to you know anyway

1381
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,760
that so he he really enjoyed

1382
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:18,319
the the uh you know we can should be had

1383
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:19,280
with these people

1384
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,400
right right now what do you think the

1385
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:24,240
future is going to be

1386
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:27,599
when it comes to the whole roswell thing

1387
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,880
i mean do you must contemplate what you

1388
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,319
think may come along

1389
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:35,359
as time passes

1390
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,680
i you know what's interesting is

1391
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,520
roswell's not losing any of its

1392
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:41,440
enthusiasm right

1393
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,119
um if anything uh i i just did a

1394
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:47,200
i just came back from brazil and i did a

1395
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:48,160
little tour and had to get a bunch of

1396
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,520
lectures and it was

1397
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,880
that the book i had they published in

1398
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,200
portuguese down there and

1399
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:55,119
when you talk to these people it's very

1400
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,720
fascinating because

1401
00:46:00,630 --> 00:45:59,520
they view roswell as not only the truth

1402
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,640
but the beginning of

1403
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,160
all you know not that there was things

1404
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,160
in the history but that was what really

1405
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:06,000
made people's opinions start looking you

1406
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,839
know that made or something too honest

1407
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:11,040
and like i said if anything with them

1408
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,920
is very powerful they they not just

1409
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:15,119
roswell but they look at these

1410
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:15,839
experiences

1411
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:18,319
as being almost religious they some

1412
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:19,599
countries will build monuments to

1413
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,160
sightings

1414
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,400
in latin american countries completely

1415
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,599
different tact on it but

1416
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,640
uh but if anything it's it's a very hot

1417
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:28,319
topic and it's not losing any of its

1418
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:29,280
enthusiasm

1419
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,720
wow so let's talk about brazil um

1420
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,880
that isn't one of the countries that

1421
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:36,319
does take it serious along with the

1422
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:36,960
chile

1423
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,560
uruguay

1424
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:43,040
uh yeah all the there was that like one

1425
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:44,400
of the conference house down there was

1426
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,880
fun

1427
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:47,359
it was i actually i i was able to the

1428
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,960
luxury out that the the person i was

1429
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,520
with was actually an astrophysicist

1430
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:54,400
and we he was he was he was part of the

1431
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:55,119
team

1432
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:57,200
that was there not as a debunker but

1433
00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,160
just kind of like well

1434
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,160
you know that's interesting but you know

1435
00:47:02,550 --> 00:47:01,440
we kind of see it this way in the

1436
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,560
science world

1437
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:05,280
but it was just it was a very nice

1438
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,720
crossing across you know

1439
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:09,359
of the different people involved and we

1440
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,119
talked about roswell length

1441
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,520
and uh everybody it was just complete

1442
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:15,119
fascination some people showed up just

1443
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,319
so you could talk about

1444
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,839
you know just that they wanted firsthand

1445
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:20,160
to you know to talk with a

1446
00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,920
you know marcel or whatever however you

1447
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:24,160
want to put it about roswell like so

1448
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,040
they they really embrace it 100

1449
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,760
that's really good to hear and um had

1450
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,200
your father ever

1451
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,920
toured in any country like that he was

1452
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,440
they had a world conference in

1453
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:38,800
i think it was 97 in rio and he was part

1454
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,400
of that and really enjoyed it

1455
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,480
right now and uh he was actually going

1456
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:43,839
to go there with me again of course i

1457
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,630
now when he had his practice was he able

1458
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,800
to get away whenever he wanted to

1459
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:55,680
for these conferences i you know

1460
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,400
honestly he

1461
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,599
didn't do that many but yeah he would

1462
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,920
he had a private practice so yeah he did

1463
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,359
have the luxury as long as was planned

1464
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:05,040
out far enough he just planted surgeries

1465
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,319
and you know offices and that kind of

1466
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,920
thing away from it and usually you know

1467
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,960
a lot of times it happened over a

1468
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:09,680
weekend

1469
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:12,400
now brazil was it was i think uh you

1470
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:13,280
know he

1471
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,640
they do have conferences you know

1472
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,680
medical conference and that kind of

1473
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:16,800
thing and he's e-managers in certain

1474
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,119
part

1475
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:20,079
there was another another doctor in the

1476
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,880
small town of helena

1477
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,720
time they could take over the caseload

1478
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:24,400
when he was gone so he did manage to do

1479
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:24,640
it

1480
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:28,800
well we do want to talk about your book

1481
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:31,040
and and uh can you talk a little bit

1482
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,839
about that

1483
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,400
what it encompasses and everything it's

1484
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,000
just it's it's

1485
00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,240
it's a fully illustrated like a tabletop

1486
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:39,760
book of roswell

1487
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,800
it kind of goes from steps a through z

1488
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:45,359
um and it also gets kind of little

1489
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,119
personal insights and anecdotes from our

1490
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,400
family some little

1491
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:50,640
fun things that happened and and not so

1492
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,440
fun things

1493
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:53,040
and just kind of uh just kind of an

1494
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,559
inside look at everything but

1495
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,359
in a very it does it doesn't read like a

1496
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:59,119
history book or doesn't read like a you

1497
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,079
know like a

1498
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,559
some sort of documentary it's more of a

1499
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,000
novelistic approach

1500
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:06,480
i see and how long did that take to put

1501
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,000
together

1502
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:11,280
um about three years

1503
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,960
oh by the time i was always done and

1504
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:14,800
then

1505
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,240
it's it's in five languages right now

1506
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:20,640
wow um that's great and it's and it's

1507
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:21,680
it's actually doing fairly well it's

1508
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:22,319
kind of

1509
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:24,400
it's it's not it i hate to call it the

1510
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,440
baseline but it's it's

1511
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,200
kind of like everybody's book on roswell

1512
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,960
if you want to if you if you're a

1513
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,720
believer non-believer i've heard of that

1514
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,160
that sounds kind of interesting

1515
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,160
the illustrations were are amazing and

1516
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,640
it did an incredibly good job the

1517
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,040
the uh it's it's it's actually like it's

1518
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,359
you consider almost like a graphic novel

1519
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,520
um yeah but uh everything is well

1520
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,880
supported and uh

1521
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:46,559
that the partner i had in researching it

1522
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,200
is she's a phd out of england

1523
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,839
and her phd was in world war ii aircraft

1524
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,119
technology

1525
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:55,040
and it just it just fit like a dovetail

1526
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:56,480
into our research

1527
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,319
right what is the name and where can

1528
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,000
someone find that

1529
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,119
well it's alien crash at roswell

1530
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:07,680
not too imaginative of course and uh you

1531
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:08,319
kind of kept

1532
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:11,599
the point the publisher did that was

1533
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:11,920
because

1534
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:12,960
it was supposed to be called the blue

1535
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:14,800
room but he changed it or they changed

1536
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:15,119
it

1537
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,040
jessiemarcell.com

1538
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,200
you can go there oh yeah yeah and get it

1539
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:22,880
if you if you want to sign copy it uh

1540
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:24,640
you know it's bookstores that kind of

1541
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,319
thing when when we did the book it was

1542
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:28,000
kind of funny that the

1543
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,200
at the same time we did the book the

1544
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:30,960
publisher said yeah we'll do the book

1545
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,280
but

1546
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,720
you have to do a documentary if you want

1547
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:35,200
to do this and i said sure so i i and

1548
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,520
phil

1549
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:37,119
coppin's and if you feel like the name

1550
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,720
oh yeah he was one of the co-creators

1551
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:41,440
he passed away as early i mean young

1552
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:41,920
yeah

1553
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:45,040
it was it was it was awful he we we did

1554
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:46,240
the documentary

1555
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,280
and that like it was like and

1556
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,800
he called me and we were talking it was

1557
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,559
in late october november

1558
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:54,079
and he said he just wasn't feeling right

1559
00:50:55,829 --> 00:50:55,440
and was going to go get some tests done

1560
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:55,839
and

1561
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,559
literally within a week he was gone wow

1562
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,400
he was such an incredible individual

1563
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:04,079
that was like on facebook he was in the

1564
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,680
hospital and the next thing you know

1565
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:08,000
yeah you're right he was he was god just

1566
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,520
that he was taken in weeks i mean it was

1567
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:11,599
a very very rare form of cancer and

1568
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:14,400
he uh we did a documentary by the exact

1569
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,440
same it was a book they're supposed to

1570
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,960
compliment each other but

1571
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:19,119
it's it was it was really sad i mean i

1572
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,720
didn't go get to know him but we were

1573
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,319
we're actually working on i'm i'm

1574
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:23,839
working on a feature film called grail

1575
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,720
right now

1576
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,359
and it actually it it started with when

1577
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:28,800
i was writing this book too but

1578
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,839
it was really developed and i and uh

1579
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:33,599
we had some really good conversations

1580
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,800
about it and he actually helped me mold

1581
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,240
some of the ideas in it

1582
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:38,079
and and of course then he passed away it

1583
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,440
was really tragic

1584
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,079
right right now i remember this is kind

1585
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,920
of off the message board right here sure

1586
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:45,599
there was a woman that wrote

1587
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:48,880
um that she had solved the roswell crash

1588
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:50,160
as being

1589
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:54,720
little people do you remember that and

1590
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:55,359
and

1591
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,200
people were buying into it do you know

1592
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:58,800
who i'm talking about oh yeah

1593
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,680
no yeah there's you know there there is

1594
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,599
uh

1595
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:05,680
there's some validity you know to what

1596
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:07,200
they're saying as far as you know

1597
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,839
because

1598
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,760
hitler was involved with some you know

1599
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,839
some kind of a technology nothing that

1600
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,680
nothing that would rise to the level of

1601
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:15,760
being able to you know get into our

1602
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,640
airspace

1603
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:18,160
you know do these kind of things but

1604
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:19,440
it's it's one of those things that yeah

1605
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:20,800
i mean it's not out of the realm of

1606
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,680
possibility i

1607
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:24,079
i you know i i i don't think it is but

1608
00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,960
it's not

1609
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,319
not out of the realm of possibility as

1610
00:52:31,030 --> 00:52:28,000
far as being little people in it

1611
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:31,040
you know i i've heard all these stories

1612
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:31,599
we

1613
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,119
father grandfather and

1614
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,440
us the grandchildren have never taken

1615
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:38,960
any credence in it but

1616
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,720
you know as far as if you want a backup

1617
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:42,800
idea i think it's it's just as credible

1618
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:45,040
as a raw one target

1619
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:47,359
or a fire balloon or any of those kind

1620
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:48,240
of things

1621
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,280
right right wow yeah it's it's really

1622
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:52,800
something how

1623
00:52:58,790 --> 00:52:55,920
you know people want an explanation and

1624
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:58,800
if they don't have one readily available

1625
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,280
then

1626
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:01,280
they'll work on something until they get

1627
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:02,400
one

1628
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:10,400
that you've heard about roswell uh you

1629
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,200
know the more

1630
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,800
they're there's some around the world

1631
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,400
one of my favorites

1632
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,520
is when i was in in dc i was with an air

1633
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:19,839
force pilot from uruguay

1634
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:22,480
and he had talked about they they

1635
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:23,760
scrambled two jets

1636
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,200
because there was some kind of strange

1637
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,119
aircraft over their airfield

1638
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:29,520
and they were told to shoot it down to

1639
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,599
get that it was it was you know

1640
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,839
and there was full radar contact in fact

1641
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,960
there were hundreds of people on the

1642
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,480
ground looking at this happen

1643
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:38,160
and they went into a full they were

1644
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,359
trying to shoot this thing out of the

1645
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:40,880
air and he was actually showing me those

1646
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,760
hands you know

1647
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,920
how it moved so much faster than they

1648
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,680
could possibly keep up with

1649
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,280
and he thought well i took my airplane

1650
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,880
that you know i actually recall

1651
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:50,319
what the airplane was but he said he

1652
00:53:54,309 --> 00:53:52,000
ended up by going into a full ski full

1653
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:54,319
outright climb thing you go up to climb

1654
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,079
and then flip over and then come

1655
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,680
back down at it and and that way you

1656
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:59,280
could breaks you know catch up enough

1657
00:54:01,430 --> 00:54:00,079
speed he said

1658
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:01,440
i'm going straight up and i look at my

1659
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,800
window and it's just floating right up

1660
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,800
along with me

1661
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:07,680
and it's just it's some of those first

1662
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:09,040
hand he had the documents with him you

1663
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:10,480
showed me the military reports they were

1664
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,119
hidden

1665
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:13,200
and just some of these amazing stories

1666
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:14,480
from his aircraft pilots that they're

1667
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:15,119
saying they said

1668
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:16,640
yeah there's hundreds of people on the

1669
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:18,559
ground watching this crazy thing happen

1670
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,920
and they said they they tried to shoot

1671
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,599
the city was so much faster they had

1672
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:23,119
they had absolutely nothing they could

1673
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:24,160
do they said there's

1674
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,680
you know there are shoes down they said

1675
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:27,200
it was it was a joke they were so

1676
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:29,839
overmatched it was just a joke

1677
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:34,000
wow um someone just wrote on the message

1678
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,040
board that they thought

1679
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,240
there was a the cia's explanation

1680
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:41,680
in the 1990s or 2000s this is

1681
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:44,799
this story is what you're talking about

1682
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,599
do you want to talk about right now yes

1683
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,839
you know i'm not quite sure if the cia

1684
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:51,119
had anything to do with it honestly i

1685
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,240
didn't know anything about it until i

1686
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,440
met this pilot last year

1687
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:56,400
oh okay so i i just like i said all

1688
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,599
these people

1689
00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:00,559
you know i've learned not to you know

1690
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:02,480
and it's it's funny

1691
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:03,760
i had a really good conversation with

1692
00:55:07,750 --> 00:55:05,920
some of the congressmen in dc kind of

1693
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:07,760
you know after hours we talked

1694
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,680
and our our conversation was simple

1695
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:13,599
and that was everything we're talking

1696
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:14,799
about you know

1697
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:17,359
this being seen is this testimony that

1698
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:18,400
it's important

1699
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,920
but it's inevitable that we will have

1700
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,599
you know something sitting across the

1701
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:27,520
table from us at some point now 100

1702
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:28,720
years from now a thousand years now

1703
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,839
whatever it will be

1704
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,000
but no matter what is going on now it's

1705
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,359
inevitable that we will have you know

1706
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:37,359
out outright living contact with

1707
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:38,480
whatever these things are

1708
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,599
i believe so too um andy on the message

1709
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:42,960
board from the uk

1710
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,280
had heard that it was the russians

1711
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:47,040
little russian people that were

1712
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:49,280
in some type of craft so you the story

1713
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,559
does get twisted

1714
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:53,040
all over you know that's i i you know

1715
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,559
that's that's interesting i've

1716
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,119
yeah i don't know there's there's a lot

1717
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,040
of stories and a lot of hypothesis

1718
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,160
you know i know the the basics of it

1719
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,440
anyway the the really

1720
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,760
heart of the matter you know and you

1721
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:07,520
know it's and it's easy for me to say

1722
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,559
because i was right in the middle of it

1723
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:10,160
if i was if i was someone outside i

1724
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,359
don't know if i maybe i wouldn't

1725
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:13,520
i wouldn't be so you know invested in

1726
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,400
the in this uh

1727
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,640
story right but i don't i know just from

1728
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:18,079
being having a front row suit to

1729
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,119
everything

1730
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:21,359
that you know my goodness this whatever

1731
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:23,440
this thing was it it wasn't from here

1732
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,559
my grandfather was not a fool my dad

1733
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:29,119
not a fool and to think that they could

1734
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:30,480
not have figured out that this was

1735
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:31,280
something

1736
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:33,599
as simple as a rawan target or even if

1737
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,400
it was part of an

1738
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,440
aircraft you know of hitler i mean

1739
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,200
their technology wasn't that advanced

1740
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,799
that they still didn't have the you know

1741
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,480
they still had sheet metal and rivets

1742
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,440
and you know those kind of things

1743
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,720
holding things together

1744
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,480
you know it's it's not that you know

1745
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,799
that there's like i said

1746
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,480
i i think if you keep it simple that

1747
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,920
there really isn't another that the

1748
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:53,040
option is that it's something from

1749
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,920
somewhere else

1750
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,760
yeah now we probably have about a minute

1751
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,359
left here so

1752
00:57:01,270 --> 00:57:00,640
just just want to know what what is your

1753
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,280
future

1754
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,680
in this whole thing are you going to

1755
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,440
stay connected to

1756
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:08,640
to the roswell story and and and do your

1757
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,040
part into getting it out there

1758
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:12,720
yes i you know there's there's more and

1759
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,960
more people and it's more latin american

1760
00:57:18,470 --> 00:57:16,400
countries just i'm going to be doing

1761
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,480
more tours through argentina and uruguay

1762
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,920
and the rest of it talking about roswell

1763
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:21,520
talking about the heart of the story

1764
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,040
a little bit picking up where my dad

1765
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:25,040
left off i could say it might be a way

1766
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,400
to do it um

1767
00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:28,559
so absolutely it's it's it's there i i

1768
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,839
do have a love of of

1769
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,160
and if i grew out of roswell but uh a

1770
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,760
love of science fiction that kind of

1771
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:35,200
thing so i'm working on some projects

1772
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,520
where

1773
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,359
we're like we're doing some movies and

1774
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:40,079
and a feature film it's gonna be be

1775
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:41,440
really roswell's the heart of it but

1776
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:43,359
kind of a a different way of looking at

1777
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,079
the whole thing

1778
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,480
it starts out with uh catholicism a

1779
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,920
couple thousand years ago and then works

1780
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,880
the way through today and then in the

1781
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,000
future but uh

1782
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,760
so yeah the roswell's is definitely a

1783
00:57:54,309 --> 00:57:53,359
big part of my life and my family's life

1784
00:57:55,829 --> 00:57:54,319
the other grandchildren

1785
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,839
well jesse thanks so much it's been a

1786
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,440
real pleasure

1787
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,680
thank you really enjoyed having you on

1788
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,359
well that's it for our show today

1789
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:03,280
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1790
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,880
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1791
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:06,319
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1792
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:07,119
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1793
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,319
which is podcastufo.com also you can

1794
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:12,000
check out our links to stories in our

1795
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,280
show notes

1796
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,960
you know we don't have any links or show

1797
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:16,480
notes this week because we didn't have

1798
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:17,920
any news so i'm going to cancel that

1799
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:18,480
part

1800
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:20,000
and i want to thank everyone for helping

1801
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:21,520
out with the show today our guest of

1802
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:22,160
course

1803
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,880
jesse marcelo the third keith rowland

1804
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:25,760
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1805
00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:28,319
of dark matter radio network andy

1806
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,559
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1807
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:32,480
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1808
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:34,880
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1809
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1810
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:38,240
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1811
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,960
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1812
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:43,440
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1813
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,720
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1814
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:46,880
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1815
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,599
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1816
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:51,280
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1817
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:55,119
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1818
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,160
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1819
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:58,559
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